At first I thought "desktop shell" was supposed to be compositor, but that's not the case, a wayland compositor like sway is a requirement. I've been using sway for years I have no idea what a "shell" is? It's somewhere in between a desktop environment and a theme?
dmit 3 hours ago [-]
Yes. It occupies the spot in the Sway tutorials that recommend you "waybar, fuzzel, tofi, [etc]" to fill out the necessities. Noctalia, DMS, and other Quickshell projects cover that void.
You probably know this already, but the problem isn't remote desktop into a logged-in session (krdp supports this) but rather logging in remotely into a headless server without a local session running. This is slightly more complicated because the login manager has to get involved and present its UI remotely. This is what that bug is tracking.
This is something implemented by the compositor, so with KDE this may be addressed by the new Plasma Login Manager. GNOME already supports this.
its_ubuntu 4 hours ago [-]
Isn't it great how we just keep reinventing the same old wheel over and over and over again?
A light weight, minimal window manager for Wayland! How nice! We already had a hundred of those for X11.
mrln 4 hours ago [-]
This is not a window manager, so thanks for stating the obvious. You might not like wayland and that's fine with me, but if you decide to hate on it, you should at least know what you are hating on. There are good reasons to prefer a wayland compositor over X11. If you don't care about these reasons, that doesn't mean nobody should.
helterskelter 3 hours ago [-]
Wayland got rid of screen tearing, an issue that plagued every machine I had used with X since I started using Linux in 2003/2004. That alone was enough for me to switch to sway in 2016, and I've never looked back. Xorg was nothing but headaches. Let's not even mention its security model.
its_ubuntu 57 minutes ago [-]
Screen tearing is due to single buffering. Double buffering fixes that. It's easily enabled. This is basic stuff.
Now thanks to Wayland you have increased latency on top of the screen tearing "fix." Plus all the other Wayland irritations and problems that we've been hearing about for decades (plural) even as we're told the whole time X11 is obsolete. lol.
Damn it feels good not being a 24/7/365 alpha tester of other people's shitware.
Enjoy reinventing the wheel, badly, over and over again.
theYipster 6 hours ago [-]
I’ve been trying out both DMS and Noctalia in separate VMs this week (both on Niri.) I like them both. Noctalia seems a bit more refined out of the box. DMS is more customizable. I foresee both taking over from .dotfile packs (and maybe even Omarchy) as better ways to bootstrap a Nir or Hyprland.
Tiberium 2 hours ago [-]
Quite cool that it's possible now to create entire shells with AI-assisted programming
miduil 6 hours ago [-]
Wow, Noctalia looks amazing! I'm especially excited about the automatic theme by background image, that means my live updating wallpaper also tweaks the theme :) super fun.
gunalx 6 hours ago [-]
That is exactly the only feature I would like to disable. (have custom theming already)
miduil 6 hours ago [-]
Checkout the Settings panel, in the GitHub screencast this feature is shown in the there.
arikrahman 6 hours ago [-]
I don't know, dank-material-shell fills the same niche, and works better on NixOS out of the box, making it easier to setup while highly configurable. It seems broader than Noctalia in scope as well, so there are more components and they play nicer with each other.
Noctalia seems like it would fit more slimmer builds that want to move away from waybar.
arikrahman 6 hours ago [-]
Noctia* Gnome's Nautilus stuck in my mind gahh
zerocrates 26 minutes ago [-]
It actually is Noctalia; mistake in the HN title.
Cyphase 7 hours ago [-]
s/Noctia/Noctalia/g
gigatexal 7 hours ago [-]
Should pair well with my tons of noctua fans [1] ;-)
If you're happy to use Gnome with GDM as the login manager, remote headless sessions are supported already with gnome-remote-desktop: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop#headless....
A light weight, minimal window manager for Wayland! How nice! We already had a hundred of those for X11.
Now thanks to Wayland you have increased latency on top of the screen tearing "fix." Plus all the other Wayland irritations and problems that we've been hearing about for decades (plural) even as we're told the whole time X11 is obsolete. lol.
Damn it feels good not being a 24/7/365 alpha tester of other people's shitware.
Enjoy reinventing the wheel, badly, over and over again.
Noctalia seems like it would fit more slimmer builds that want to move away from waybar.
[1]https://gigatexal.blog/assets/images/about/workstation.JPEG
All jokes aside, it looks really well done!