Violence is a morally acceptable response to being oppressed and controlled; women were not given a fair stake in society, and therefore it would be unreasonable to expect them to be bound by its laws.
jpfromlondon 4 hours ago [-]
The suffragists arguably achieved a great deal more, without them the measures of the suffragettes would likely have set women’s rights back further.
Yet they are all but forgotten.
Planktonne 3 hours ago [-]
I don't agree that the suffragists are forgotten. Beyond that though, I'd say that lots of successful liberation movements have had multiple wings with different methods.
scotty79 4 hours ago [-]
What about modern non-wealthy? They neither get a fair stake in society nor even a voice that matters. Voting pretty much doesn't work. How much the issue is supported by non-wealthy voters has no bearing on the laws that are going to be written that affect it.
And by non-wealthy I pretty much mean anyone that has to work to live, regardless of whether they can find the job or not.
jzemeocala 2 hours ago [-]
After having spent 20+ years growing up in rural FL, I've been telling people for years now that: "poor people are the new negro".
If you are poor, than you look poor usually. And people ABSOLUTELY treat you differently from the government to the local store.
I lived in one really messed up part of FL called interlachen that really opened my eyes to that fact.
Planktonne 3 hours ago [-]
Voting not being effective is quite a long way from voting not being allowed at all.
However, if we get to the point when control over their own lives is denied to people, it won't be unreasonable for them to resist. We've had slave revolutions before, and they weren't morally wrong.
bluefirebrand 19 minutes ago [-]
> Voting not being effective is quite a long way from voting not being allowed at all
I disagree pretty strongly.
If the system is rigged in such a way that you mostly get the same outcomes no matter how people vote, that is only a razor thin line away from not being allowed to vote at all
scotty79 2 hours ago [-]
> Voting not being effective is quite a long way from voting not being allowed at all.
How so exactly? Do you think that the fact that people in russia, for example, can vote is far from them not being allowed to vote?
Planktonne 2 hours ago [-]
I wouldn't have a moral problem with people in Russia engaging in violent resistance.
scotty79 2 hours ago [-]
How about US? It's just one step removed. Or maybe half a step?
Planktonne 58 minutes ago [-]
1. It feels like you're trying to walk me into some imagined rhetorical trap; if that's the case, feel free to speed up.
2. It's completely possible that justified violence could happen in the US; it would, as anywhere, depend on what violence by who for what reason, but there's nothing that makes the US special in this regard. In the past, on multiple occasions (resistance to slavery, for example), political violence in the cause of freedom has occurred, and I don't think that was immoral.
scotty79 1 minutes ago [-]
Sorry. I was just curious about your response. Thanks.
sohex 3 hours ago [-]
Shout out to the best named feminist group of all time, W.I.T.C.H. The Women’s International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell.
stefantalpalaru 6 hours ago [-]
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Yet they are all but forgotten.
And by non-wealthy I pretty much mean anyone that has to work to live, regardless of whether they can find the job or not.
If you are poor, than you look poor usually. And people ABSOLUTELY treat you differently from the government to the local store.
I lived in one really messed up part of FL called interlachen that really opened my eyes to that fact.
However, if we get to the point when control over their own lives is denied to people, it won't be unreasonable for them to resist. We've had slave revolutions before, and they weren't morally wrong.
I disagree pretty strongly.
If the system is rigged in such a way that you mostly get the same outcomes no matter how people vote, that is only a razor thin line away from not being allowed to vote at all
How so exactly? Do you think that the fact that people in russia, for example, can vote is far from them not being allowed to vote?
2. It's completely possible that justified violence could happen in the US; it would, as anywhere, depend on what violence by who for what reason, but there's nothing that makes the US special in this regard. In the past, on multiple occasions (resistance to slavery, for example), political violence in the cause of freedom has occurred, and I don't think that was immoral.