That place and the Kashmir valley are some of the prettiest landscapes on the planet
specproc 16 hours ago [-]
Aye, I didn't get as far north as Gilgit, but I've been around the block a few times, and I've never seen anything like NW Pakistan.
hammock 15 hours ago [-]
Is it safe to visit the region as a mountaineer tourist, these days?
asphodele 14 hours ago [-]
There's a documentary, "The Last Mountain", about the sister and father of Tom Ballard, who died on Nanga Parbat, going out there to see where he did his final climb. It gives an idea of what it is like to visit.
Incidentally, Tom Ballard was the son of Alison Hargreaves, who died on K2.
statguy 8 hours ago [-]
I think the parent comment was not referring to climbing related safety :)
argee 23 hours ago [-]
> In the Karakoram (pronounced keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm) Range—a mountainous region straddling the borders of Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and China…
Non-sequitur but no one pronounces it like that in those regions.
On another note katsu (pronounced cat-sue) is a dish you should try in Japan.
crossroadsguy 16 hours ago [-]
They never bother to make an effort. All these decades and they still say "Gey-ndi" and "Jeena" and as if they will get constipated if they learn to pronouce country names correctly. It's not "Pack-istan. They just don't care. I am from India and whenever I hear any of them say that country name, or say Aef-gan-istan, or Eye-ran (that gan, ran are as in "run ran run"), I feel like reaching into the screen or the earpiece and deliver a hard one across one of the speaker's cheeks and hopefully being isnpired by Gey-ndi they'd offer the other one.
tsimionescu 15 hours ago [-]
The English name of the country of ایران is Iran, pronounced "eye-ran", there's nothing wrong about that. Just like the English name of the country which calls itself Deutchsland is Germany. And the French name of the country that calls itself England is Angleterre, and the Japanese name for China is 中国 (chuugoku).
There is nothing wrong or weird about exonyms. Sometimes they happen to be relatively close to the endonym, sometimes they are not.
BeetleB 14 hours ago [-]
> The English name of the country of ایران is Iran, pronounced "eye-ran"
This is an American thing. The British have been pronouncing it E-ran since forever.
momoschili 13 hours ago [-]
It's one of many words that are pronounced differently in British English than American English.
baxtr 15 hours ago [-]
Everyone says Germany except for the Germans! And those I know couldn’t care less.
It’s easy to insinuate that people aren’t making an effort. But maybe it’s says more about the person on the receiving end than the person "who is not making the effort".
pakl 14 hours ago [-]
For “Germany”, the Spaniards say Alemania, the French say l’Allemagne and Arabic goes along with ألمانيا
yetihehe 13 hours ago [-]
Poles say "Niemcy", which essentially means "mute people".
baxtr 12 hours ago [-]
There you go! And only Ze Germans say Deutschland
BeetleB 14 hours ago [-]
For me the hilarious one was Abbottabad - where Bin Ladin was killed. Everyone pronounced it A-Bot-A-Bad.
None of them knew that it's actually named after a British person (Abbott), and the first part is pronounced that way (as in Abbott and Costello).
argee 15 hours ago [-]
It's best to have a light hearted attitude about these things (that's why I added a joke). The vast majority of people don't even know their pronunciation might be different from others', ignorance is very human. It isn't malice, though, and even if people did make an effort they would be the odd one out.
One interesting example of a blanket change is the N-word. As expected, it wasn't a grassroots movement but a mass publicized event and collective experience that made it happen.
If people's ignorance makes you angry you're in for a miserable and likely hypocritical life.
s20n 23 hours ago [-]
I don't know where they even got that pronunciation from. The wikipedia page says "Karakoram (English: /ˌkɑːrəˈkɔːrəm, ˌkær-/, Urdu: [kaːɾaːkoːɾəm])"
none of which is [kerəkɑːrəm] as the author suggests
I would naturally read ⟨aw⟩ as /oː/ (as in e.g. ⟨hawk⟩), rather than /ɑː/. The weird part is the [e] — the only thing I can suggest is that they’re one of those people who raise /æ/ to [e] in some positions.
arbituram 16 hours ago [-]
This whole thread is a comedy of errors stemming from different English pronunciation variants. The author of the original article evidently has the full Mary/marry/merry merger but maintains the cot/caught distinction, so "keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm" seems like a natural way of spelling the pronunciation. GP has the cot/caught merger but does not merge Mary/marry, so they read "keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm" as [kerəkɑːrəm] and understood this as distinct from Wikipedia's kær- pronunciation. And you don't have the cot/caught merger or the Mary/marry merger.
The original name is Turkic and it Urdu version (especially first one) is very similar to how I read it.
ktimespi 23 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I agree. Funnily enough, Katsu isn't pronounced that way either XD (it's pronounced cawt-sue)
argee 22 hours ago [-]
That's the joke!
ktimespi 22 hours ago [-]
it's so over for me lol
teiferer 19 hours ago [-]
In principle, this in not surprising. Throw 100 normal-distributed values at the number line with mean 1 and std deviation 2 and some will end up below 0. The higher you make the mean, the fewer will end up negative and eventually it's unlikely (though still possible) one does.
veunes 21 hours ago [-]
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Incidentally, Tom Ballard was the son of Alison Hargreaves, who died on K2.
Non-sequitur but no one pronounces it like that in those regions.
On another note katsu (pronounced cat-sue) is a dish you should try in Japan.
There is nothing wrong or weird about exonyms. Sometimes they happen to be relatively close to the endonym, sometimes they are not.
This is an American thing. The British have been pronouncing it E-ran since forever.
It’s easy to insinuate that people aren’t making an effort. But maybe it’s says more about the person on the receiving end than the person "who is not making the effort".
None of them knew that it's actually named after a British person (Abbott), and the first part is pronounced that way (as in Abbott and Costello).
One interesting example of a blanket change is the N-word. As expected, it wasn't a grassroots movement but a mass publicized event and collective experience that made it happen.
If people's ignorance makes you angry you're in for a miserable and likely hypocritical life.
none of which is [kerəkɑːrəm] as the author suggests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Karakoram